When I graduated from college, I felt like it was a victory for black people. But there's a part of me that feels like I'm somehow a part of that failure or something. That's the thing I'm trying to socialize out of myself because I think that's a horrible belief. And you're right. I don't, I don't win Dylan roof. He comes from a very different place. Right.
“How attached are you to the idea of being white?” Chenjerai Kumanyika puts that question to host John Biewen, as they revisit an unfinished conversation from a previous episode. Part 7 of our series, Seeing White.