I think that's been a challenge for me, even as somebody who hosts a show. And it took me a long time to stop benchmarking against my guests. I try to take at least a week every year and go on a retreat. If I those are the things that kind of where I kind of like redraw my game plan, I learn a little bit more about myself. It might look very different for you than it does for me. But whatever you need to do to get that space, I think that's critical.

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