i the we title this zoma van defending western civilization, or i titled it that. But some back and forth between the two of us has led me to believe that you're, you don't think that's quite the right framing. I think that the ratian invasion of ukraine doesn't threaten western civilization. It threatens the global order. And even just titling a conversation like this is to partake in the generation of narratives. What is the right framin here? Do you think for this, what we most need to talk about now, and how does that fit into a larger story?"
Sam Harris speaks with Yuval Noah Harari about the wider implications of Russia’s war of conquest in Ukraine. They discuss different forms of war, Putin’s miscalculation regarding the internal divisions of America and the EU, the problem of misinformation, international norms of behavior, the role of China, the civilizational importance of trust, globalization and de-globalization, existential risk, the role of India, Ukrainian leadership, the danger of nuclear war, regime change in Russia, and other topics.
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