I think sometimes it is about education and it is about understanding and I think sometimes you end up singing songs. The Chelsea song the Chelsea Ren Boy song got mentioned on a show where I think people would have sang that in the past but just maybe not really recognized or understood that actually it might upset people, says Carve. There's an element of our upset and Liverpool fans but it affects fans of other clubs doesn't it in effect? It hurts when you're hearing some of the chants that have been going on so I thought it was treaded into the forest  and again those fans who are behind that deserve massive congratulations for kind of you know for making the effort and making it happen