How Do You Go From the White House and That Level of Impact to Podcasting?

I think it's important to pull the curtain back a little bit, which is, am the number of times that i've been told no and rejected in my career. You don't see all the time that i was totally despondent, cause i was told i would never be able to make a team,. or all the time i felt hopeless and like there was no chance ahead. So i think i just want to start by saying at you have to try enough times at something to make things happen. And that's what kind have always been my philosophy.