CTM 4: Boring Revolution with Indy Johar
Curiosity That Matters
Introduction
Exploring the undervaluation of critical societal assets and the potential for investment opportunities, emphasizing the need to reinvest in common goods for a better future through discussions on architecture, governance, and finance transformation.
Our 4th episode features Indy Johar, founding director of Zero Zero and Dark Matter Labs, discussing the need for a “boring revolution” to transform the underlying systems and values that are driving our current crises.
Indy argues we need to move beyond an extractive, ownership-based system to one based on shared value creation and recognizing our interconnectedness.
Key themes include reimagining profit as a proof of value rather than extraction, investing in societal assets like collective intelligence, reinventing bureaucracy for the digital age, and designing new civic economies that are closer to where value is generated. Indy also discusses the invisible violence embedded in current systems, the need for a “great peace” and mutually assured thriving, decentralizing organizing for compound learning, the organizations of the future, and giving language to emergent realities many are sensing,
Key Takeaways
We need a “boring revolution” to transform the deep codes, values and systems underlying today’s crises
Must move beyond ownership, dominion and separation to embracing interconnectedness
Profit should show value created, not just extracted; must invest in shared goods
Reinvent bureaucracy and governance for complexity of 21st century
Design new civic economies and organize for collective & relational intelligence
Our system causes invisible violence; need a “great peace”
Written and spoken language not sufficient to describe world we need, yet shapes and gives meaning to what many sense is happening
Below are links to articles, podcasts and other references I mention and I consulted in preparation for this episode:
- https://www.linkedin.com/posts/amitpaul-changemaker_accounting-revolution-bureaucracy-activity-7068911355528933377-ms8I
- https://futureofgood.co/mutually-assured-thriving-indy-johar-on-the-future-of-caring-for-one-another/
-https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7065052478186102784 ... continue at https://youtu.be/IrJVjrPsPus?t=2734
- https://www.thedeepdivepod.com/135
- https://boundaryless.io/podcast/dark-matter-labs/
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvmgf-8bVCo — Indy @ Creative Bureaucracy Festival
- https://www.samrye.xyz/on-relational-infrastructure/
- https://provocations.darkmatterlabs.org/dm-note-8-on-art-and-imagination-infrastructure-8b3cee1d32c6
- https://provocations.darkmatterlabs.org/innovation-needs-a-boring-revolution-741f884aab5f
- https://provocations.darkmatterlabs.org/how-do-democracies-innovate-in-a-complex-world-8f26342d164b
- https://provocations.darkmatterlabs.org/dmls-manual-of-us-d41b1c235869
- https://creativebureaucracy.org/discover/videos/the-boring-revolution-remaking-bureaucracy-for-this-century/
- https://www.ft.com/content/b1604232-bfcd-49a5-99eb-9ac540d22748
- https://www.futurebuild.co.uk/guest/indy-johar-co-founder-project-00-dark-matter-labs-senior-innovation-associate-young-foundation/
- https://forthewild.world/listen/the-edges-in-the-middle-bayo-and-indy
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhueZVPI0hU
The AI-powered Podcast Player
