Trunk: I think for YouTube specifically, they're gonna keep growing either way in this category. And secondly, if you look at a number of people that listen to podcasts, it's still more than it was five years ago. So I think naturally they'll keep growing and then every year they'll pull out a stat to be like, "Oh, we're the biggest podcasting platform" He says Twitter is where most podcast recommendations probably get shared between individuals outside of like group chats. Trunk: The only thing on Spotify or Apple share would be an ability to do discoverability - which means giving people what they already used to subscribe to properly.