Beautiful Union, with Joshua Ryan Butler
Mere Fidelity
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The Problem With the Direction of Travel
"I think what Matt is boiling down there is the critique that's made me think the most seriously in the last two months," he says. "Is there a fetishization of sex as sort of orgasm and excitement and climax? And I've just I've not seen that partly because I'm probably I have taught and preached that myself, not explicitly in anything like that way."
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