Yeah, so it makes exactly as much sense. I think. Yeah. I mean, I think, I think, you know, we on the left, just, and I think you and I disagree, you know, up and on, you know, kind of our theory of political change, baby, although I

think there's a lot of, at

least in my mind, as much as. Yeah. Yeah.

I think in my mind, there's a lot of like, I just don't know. I don't know what the real answer is. And I think that a lot of left people theorizing is built around this kind of like, well, what is the theory of political change? Like how, but you know, it's always built around this kind of idea of, you know, we're trying to analogize to the past. We're trying to kind of build on a real political theory and, you know, the nature of the activism that we do, the nature of the work that we do depends on, on, you know, what kind of effect we're trying to leave. And I think there's, you know, no

better

example of that than, you know, the, the soup on the glass pane in front of the Van Gogh painting and the like immediate, you know, like, subtle of the, this came like a moment on Twitter, in which case, like, look, nobody knows exactly how we're going to, if we are going to like, crush the capitalist system and end the reliance on oil. Nobody knows exactly that's going to work. Now I have criticisms of that style of activism, you know, believe me, but also like, it's hard to not blame a couple of 20 year olds for going like, well, maybe we just need to make a big stink in, in, in front of a painting. And hopefully, maybe we're going to make some change that way. Like, but like all of that conversation, you know, all of that, you know, sort of sort of Twitter drama is much more sophisticated than anything that these, you know, the, the fascist are actually imagining. Like, you know, all of the work that I've done in following these guys and all of that they think that they are, you know, talking about tactics and talking about like how do you like there's, there's absolutely no material analysis that's ever actually done on this, you know. And so, they, they, they sound like overgrown children constantly, whenever they talk about this stuff because they have this, this is complete misunderstanding of how like political change works. And I will say that to their face, no problem. You know, they're literally going out and doing in person activism and trying to like, well, if we just get, you know, Donald Brooks to be to get hate crime charges against him, then, you know, ethno status around the corner. You know, like somehow, somehow I don't think that's how that works guys. You know, you know, Yeah, maybe not. And not to say that they don't have like, you know, horrifying, you know, ins and horrifying, you know, things that can't happen from that, not least that, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like a focus on this, on this crime and that was like, ultimately what's happening is that, you know, the more plugged into mainstream media, kind of taking a liking to this that are kind of using these kind of talking points to actually, you know, further increase the, the carceral system in the United States and, you know, increase the, the prison industrial complex, you know, that's what that's what effect they're actually having is, you know, they're just kind of taking those talking points and then like using them, but not in a way of like building the ethno state, but just in terms of like continuing the status quo of what the terrible carceral system is, you know, ultimately. And so, you know, they're having an effect. It's just like not the, like,

you're not, you're not, you're

not kicking the Jews out of the United States with this. It's just not, it's just not what's happening, you know. And again, like it is just got a darkly funny thing of like, anyway, I just, I find it, I find it fascinating in that they just have no theory of political change beyond, you know, we're just going to build a mass movement and then, you know, ethno state, like that's, that's the answer they get, you know, and yeah,

as you say, it's the old underpants known syndrome where the middle stage is missing.