Why drones are so important in the war for both Ukraine and Russia.

How do drones work? Who makes them? And, crucially, who’s winning the drone production race?

The BBC’s Security Correspondent Frank Gardner and Dr Marina Miron from King’s College London talk us through it all.

And, Politico journalist Eva Hartog gives her fist interview after being kicked out of Russia following a decade of living and reporting from Moscow.

Today’s episode is presented by Victoria Derbyshire and Vitaly Shevchenko. The producers were Arsenii Sokolov, Paige Neal-Holder and Ivana Davidovic. The technical producer was Emma Crowe. The series producer is Tim Walklate. The senior news editor is Sam Bonham. Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480.

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00:04 - Viktoria Kovalenko 03:23 - Drone warfare 09:45 - Listener questions 15:30 - Eva Hartog