The Outsiders

"Most people, they're looking for a shorthand answer. And make out it's the same as something else I've already said," he says. "It does take intellectual curiosity and genuine effort to get to know somebody in their business." He adds: 'This is like the real, you know, the really bad ball that I work' The company was a private company that told me before listed 11 years - but has now gone public.