I think the first apology, which he did at the Academy Awards, didn't sound so sincere because he didn't apologize to Chris Rock. The second one, I do think he had time to, like you said, it's nuanced. Like, it's not black or white. And that same psychiatrist talked about Joe Biden. We'll get into that later. But a lot of times, again, just like the way you presented the Will Smith thing, you sort of recognize the gray in a lot of these issues. That's how you sort of gain the trust. It was really hard for me because I'm not somebody who believes in anything spiritual at all.

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