The Love Is a Phoenix

Every other episode that we record is a bit a little bit of therapy We go you know James we've recorded some recently where I feel at the end of us like all right I feel a little bit less bad about my life choices. So let's start there Tell us tell me what you do now because you've got the cool shirt. You knowTell me what you're doing smart application secured The hell is that? so First of all the logo so the love is a phoenix because we believed originally on the reburn of DevSecOps on the methodology on how to involve business and business people together with upset people together. And then they didn't have the right to actually fix it because