DevOps - Is There a Difference?

Anything that can of touches the products looking or the developer experience itself, we are very conscious of owning. There has been a very conscious decision to do that internally. We try our best to like that abstraction shouldn't leak out. And then even in the internals, anything that's part of like the developer woldflow, even if it we're using open source components like coberneties canor going back to that. It's not like you're not employing coubernetts, right? Like you you're just thinking about deplying to goodn and having that be a very clear separation is important.