The ruleset got broken in the real world and that clearly demonstrated a path to progress. Do we have evidence that had that ruleset been broken in a dream state, it could have had a similar effect for the first individual? The best evidence I have is the incredible work of my colleague at Stanford, Ali Crum, Alia Crum. She's worked on these mindset effects or belief effects. These are different than placebo effects. So mindset effects are real in terms of physiology. Now, does that allow people to break mental barriers to adapt to the physical world? Well, like engineering sending rockets up to Mars, there's nothing obvious about that. There's an amazing ability to adapt

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