The Relationship Between Mind and Matter

The things that we perceive are experiences of us. They are part of our conscious life. And so the relationship between mind and matter is never just this kind of Cartesian separation. The world as we can speak of it, the world as we know it, is the world of human experience. It's things as they appear to us even when we peer very closely at them. We think that by looking at things very closely by chunking them up, by breaking them up into little pieces, we've gotten closer to the reality of what they are. Actually, what we've done is we've learned more about the patterns in their behavior.