“We will lose a lot before we win — that’s just the reality of starting the race 50 years behind.” — Sarah M. Levin

Sarah M. Levin - strategist, lobbyist, founder of Secular Strategies and co-founder of The Secular Vote, joins us to explore how secular voters are reshaping U.S. politics. She breaks down the real demographics behind the “nones,” why neutrality protects both believers and non-believers, and how church–state separation is at the heart of today’s fights over rights, democracy, and pluralism.

Connect with Sarah:

Website: sarahmlevin.com
Secular Strategies: secularstrategies.com
The Secular Vote: hesecularvote.com
X (Twitter): @SarahMLevin
LinkedIn: sarahmlevin

Topics we cover

✔︎ Why Secular Strategies exists
✔︎ “Unaffiliated” vs “atheist”: what the data really shows
✔︎ Secularism in law and public life
✔︎ Media myths about religious “revivals”
✔︎ Connecting secular voters with messages that resonate (one life, one world)
✔︎ How Christian nationalism drives today’s policy rollbacks
✔︎ Relationship-led coalition building across deep differences
✔︎ Inside The Secular Vote: correcting media blind spots
✔︎ Debunking the “anti-Christian bias” narrative
✔︎ State-level wins: transparency for healthcare sharing ministries
✔︎ Practical ways to get involved for the long term

Resources & further reading

“Religious ‘Nones’ in America: Who They Are and What They Believe,” Pew Research Center (2024) – https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2024/01/24/religious-nones-in-america-who-they-are-and-what-they-believe/
Presidential Action on “Eradicating Anti-Christian Bias” – The White House (2025) – https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/eradicating-anti-christian-bias/
Religious Liberty Commission – U.S. Department of Justice – https://www.justice.gov/religious-liberty-commission

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