There were a lot of crypto firms that were just using Python or Rust, which are a bit easier language to quickly develop something. While we were plugging away, trying to get the microseconds figured out, these guys were having like huge success by maybe being slower, but being faster to market. So we kind of missed a lot of the 21 party as well. As you started to meet some of the other firms and actors, so like Alameda is a big firm at this point. What was your take on them? You know that although it's hyper secretive, I'm sure in that community,. you know the other firms, you knew the jump people, you know the Jane Street

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