The Importance of Standard Testing and Certification for Submersibles

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"I don't feel bad for pH. He knew exactly what he was getting into," says CNN's John Sutter. "If you're going to build something like this and you want to get in it and kill yourself, well, I think you have every right to do that ... But I don't think you're allowed to charge or take anyone with you."

Deep-sea explorer G. Michael Harris has been down to the wreck of the Titanic 14 times. He begged his friend PH Nargeolet not to get on the OceanGate Titan submersible before it imploded in the sea earlier this week. He explains why he saw this coming.

This episode was produced by Amanda Lewellyn and edited by Amina Al-Sadi. It was engineered by Michael Raphael and fact-checked by Laura Bullard and hosted by Noel King.

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