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The biggest cheese in the agnatology world is here to talk to you. And he edited the book agnitology, the making and unmaking of ignorance. We're living in very uncomfortable, very polarized, scary times. In so many ways, people are screaming at each other about masks in coscow. i feel like there's so much at play, psychologically, underneath these sometimes violent differences of opinion.

Yes, there is an -ology for that. Dr. Robert Proctor is a Stanford professor of the History of Science and co-edited the book “Agnotology: The Making & Unmaking of Ignorance,” having coined the word 30 years ago. We chat about everything from the true evils of tobacco marketing, to the sugar lobby, to racial injustice, horse vision, the psychology of the Flat Earther movement, which countries have the highest rates of climate denial, empathy, how to navigate difficult conversations and why it's critical to dismantle the systems of willful ignorance, starting locally.

Dr. Robert Proctor’s book, Agnotology

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