Um, I Think, Um, Um Um, That's Where We've Got to Begin

"I've always been fascinated by philosophy. I think there's a sort of philosophical discussion around efficacy and actually it's not so much around for me anyway," he says. "If you want to genuinely, if efficacy is one of your questions, or then actually you do need to give it a go, you can't sort of do it by half because you definitely can't test it out if you just do a bit of it." He adds that people who are dissatisfied with the way things are working out where they're right now should 'come and jump in'