I'm actually trying to move into a little bit more color because I was getting bored with the white and so I'm working with paper clay now which is a clay body that has a lot of paper fiber in it. The white just always feels quiet to me there's something about it that just feels serene and often because my pieces do have so much going on with the petals and the stuff and the pinching and the piercing the white sort of just kind of calms it all down how have you gotten your ceramics to look so thin and delicate? I made a mold I learned how to do plaster mold making of a big gourd like a big squash and then I