Roland Martin: I think we can get so in our heads in trying to, ike, deconstruct everything and code everything. And sometimes it's ecause it's survival. Sometimes it's because it's joy, sometimes because we're trying to build or create something. But i wonder if sometimes you feel like that orientation, which it sounds like you have a lot of, pulls you out of this ability to just be present and see and be with and enjoy beauty in the moment. It has my relationship with money, or my relationship with success, ah, as a black man,. To be honest, o me being able to break those things down at 15, 16 years old is

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