Dian: You need, you do need to know the insides and outs of what's going on. And without that, if you don't have the knowledge, a, armed with actually what's going on, why is that money coming to you? Anto: I will probably be sending andrew and emal after i've watched this anto and e, e, don't need to have conversation with him, so for now, nothing. A, but i did learn that he is more than happy for a reach out and to talk about his process.