I think it's interesting to think about how technology changes the way we think and we use it. And I look at for example systems for raising animals that make it easy for us to treat animals as if they're simply production units rather than individuals who have the capability to suffer and to live well. There is the possibility in the same mode of technologies that lead us to regard other fellow human beings as simply things there to be used or things to be treated arbitrarily. And I think that's a very real danger. Again, I'm sort of a technological optimist because like you, I think technology, I couldn't live without all of these technologies that we use.

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