Ye. And i'm not sure that that if, you know, when future historians do an analysis of the evolution of the concept of plant based, if they won't find you at the very deating heart of the the birth of that movement. I want to ask you abouth, about that word, about that the power of that word. You're a gardener, and that has something to do with your long term interest in plants, obviously, cause it's famous to everybody. Now, your dictum about what we should eat started with plants and was made plants central. I'm not really kidding. I think when some day they ask why all these things have the word plant base attached, they may come back to you. And then this book us, s advisedly, the word plants. You don't say drugs, you don't say medicines, which is a word that some users of psychodelics prefer. And that some native americans don't much like to hear use in this context, becase they take it very seriously and are not sure that everybody who uses these substances does. So talk to me about the word plant.

Well, it's been such a kind of common word in my personal vocabulary for a long time, i don't have that much perspective on it. I used it in the title of this book in part to remind people that's where drugs come from, and that that they are part of our relationship to the natural world. And we lose track of that. We think of drugs coming from laboratories. And some of them do, but a great many of them, of course, come from plants. And why do plants produce them? Then that opens up a whole conversation about evolutionary objectives of plants as opposed to people, the fact that they are geniuses at chemistry, and neuro chemistry in particular, and why they are, because they can't run away, basically, and so they have to use chemistry to either attract or repel. And i've been fascinated in that fact about plants for a very long time. Are not simple molecules they're making. And how incredible is it that a plant can hit on precisely the the chemical formula to have a profound effect on an animal brain? So i've been marvelling at plants for a long time. I've been trying to win the more respect speak for them, since they can't speak for themselves.