Denis meadows was a professor of systems management at m i t and the former director of the institute for policy and social science research. 50 years ago this month, denis led the team which developed the limits to growth research and book. They used the world three model to simulate the consequence of interactions between earth and human systems. Denis is now nonsense fellow. This conversation was hard hitting with no fluff. For context, it was recorded just days before russia invaded ukraine.

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