i felt like we probably needed a mediator in some way, because i think that the crux of it is a level of not hearing one another. I met de gise on because i host and produced a story telling show. And much to my delight, denise opened up the living room to myself in the show. It was just really coming like a match made in heaven as far as what i was trying to accomplish. There were some hickups, u like, i had some little issues with denise along the way.

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