I think people often think of hope as just sort of being this like forward momentum kind of like always being like, yes and let's do it. Like to me saying no is actually really hopeful as a practice so I don't know what the metaverse is or whatever it is that we're trying to get at here. And also if you are a naturally hopeful person, that's like really great. And like you should seize that and you should like keep it. But other times it doesn't have to always be there, right? Like it doesn't always, it's not sort of a necessary condition. There's so many other things that like we have at our disposal and tools we

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