Journalism is always to tell the story from the bottom and up from the victim side in this case Cecilia and Pranilla so I think that makes a big difference indeed. And with Simon even if he isn't recognizing what he's done if he's doing that Trumpian thing it sounds like Anna too you know they don't necessarily recognize or internalize what they've done wrong. The author Frederick Joseph has talked about the tender swindler and said that if it had been a black man who was swindling white women like that he would be in prison right now. What do you think about that comment? Well I certainly hope it's not true maybe I live in a fantasy