Oh, it's so interesting. I'm curious about this is probably the one last question i will have for this actual episode. But i listened to what you said there, and i recognized, in my own journey in business, the thing that got me started, or inspired to do systems was basically, my business wrecked my life. I'll be blunt here, is that, you know, i had to work a christmas a day to get a boxing day sal ready. And my wife was devastated to leave family thing. And it like, struck at heard. But over all, my quality of life was terrible, and i'd hit a ceiling and could disbasically see wel there's no way to grow this with more hours. And i could see that it was massively impacting my health as well. But from your point of view, you've worked with so many other people, do you find the first thing, or the trigger point for someone to get into systems is that capacity thing? They just recognize there's nothing else they can do, keep going the way they are, or to something else, open the door to systems?

There seems to be different things for different people. And depending on where they are in the stage of their business and their age and past experiences, there can be different trigger points. The one that you should have alluded to there of working very long hours, being a slav to the business, and which is the direct opposite to why you started business. A lot of business owners, when they start business, they think about freedom, and they want to have choice and control. And then they start business, and then they realize they've got anything but that now they have to deliver for the client. They have to deliver to a certain standard. They have to there's a lot of work that needs to be done. And they work really, really our so that is a huge catalist, and probably the biggest catalist. There are other catalists as well. Some people think in terms of exit planning as well. That's another big one that i do see, where people are thinking that they want to sell their business, and then they realize they actually have no value in the business, because the business is them, and no one would want to buy the business. People who are just changing ger. I've seen some people that a ramping up. And it's not that they actually won't decrease the hours. That's another big one. Some people, it is about decreasing hours. But some people just want to be more effective with what it is that they're doing, and they'll lean into it. And they'll still be doing the 60, 70 hour weeks, but at least they won't be doing the tasks that are the same repetitive tasks over and over and over. That's not driving the business tot next level. I'm at a little bit of a different stage now. You know, like you with young kids, i'm, i'm also thinking about how can i get evermore done with less, so that i can be more involved. And, you kno, have a really well rounded life. I'm focusing on lots of pieces. But don't get me wrong, i still work hard, but i kind of work hard on what i'm enjoying. I think that's what systems gives you, its a level of freedom. It gives you freedom in time, freedom in money, and then also freedom in our choice for who you work with and the projects that you work on. I think that that level of freedom is hugely underrated. I think once you get it as well, you then start to realize that business can be fun. Sometimes when people get started in business, they're all excited and they're passionate, and they love what it is tat they're doing. And then after years of doing the same thing over and over and the grind sets in the business and a becoming that thorn in their side, they lose the passion for what they're doing. And it's because they're just doing these repetitive things, and they're not doing what really sparks them or gets them going. And as a business owner, oftentimes you're a problem solver. You like figuring things out. You like doing it and having a big impact. You don't like doing small, little trivial stuff day and day out, every single week for the rest of your life. Aman

to that, i really enjoy the way you spoke about that. And it's funny that even as you said that, i was lik, hang on my the reason and love of systems that i have has evolved y the kids think. As you said, i've got a little one now, which, you know. And it's like every second you can get with them, or being able to organize s differently, really, really counts. So listeners, this has been a bit of an insight into define the first stage. I think it maybe chapter two in the book that really goes deep in here. And i really love these stories and behind the scenes you've been able to create with this, dave. Now, there are going to be more of these episodes. We are going to record, andwe'regoing to break down some future sections, or stages, we'll call them from here. But dave, let's wrap this episode up. S been an absolute pleasure going through to find with you. Thank

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