172. Shoulder pain assessment & clinical reasoning. Physio Edge Shoulder Success podcast with Jo Gibson
Physio Edge podcast with David Pope
Structured Clinical Reasoning for Shoulder Pain Management
This chapter outlines a structured framework for assessing and managing shoulder pain in clinical settings. It emphasizes the importance of subjective diagnosis and the influence of various factors on treatment outcomes, underscoring the potential for effective primary care management.
Your patient presents with shoulder pain, and straight away you need to identify:
Is it rotator cuff related shoulder pain, frozen shoulder, instability, or something else entirely?
- Is it rotator cuff related shoulder pain, frozen shoulder, instability, or something else entirely?
- Is the pain actually coming from the shoulder?
- Could it be the cervical spine?
- Is there a tear that needs urgent referral?
- Should you order imaging? Refer to a surgeon? Or confidently continue with rehab?
In this podcast, Jo Gibson (Upper Limb Rehabilitation Specialist Physio) guides you through a simple, evidence-informed clinical reasoning framework to help you confidently assess and treat patients with shoulder pain.
Drawing on decades of clinical experience and the latest research, Jo breaks down four essential questions you need to ask in every shoulder assessment—helping you identify red flags, tailor your treatment plan, and avoid common diagnostic pitfalls.
In this episode, you’ll discover:
- How to distinguish shoulder pain from cervical spine referral
- Key subjective clues that guide your diagnosis and treatment decisions
- Whether it’s “torn”—and how to know if a surgical referral is appropriate
- Clinical signs that help differentiate frozen shoulder from other causes of stiffness
- Why pain irritability matters—and how it impacts your rehab approach
- When to use (and when to avoid) imaging
- How to identify instability and assess the likelihood of recurrence
- What assessment tests to perform in your objective examination
- The real value—and limitations—of special tests like the Hawkins-Kennedy, drop arm, Hornblower’s, and more.
- How to modify testing to better isolate rotator cuff contributions
- Why symptom modification tests are useful—and what they tell you
- How to help your patient overcome fear, regain confidence, and move again
- What research says about exercise prescription, and how many exercises you should give patients
Listen in to strengthen your clinical reasoning and give your shoulder assessments a clear structure that helps you feel more confident—and gets better outcomes for your patients.
Chapters:
- 00:00 - Intro
- 03:12 - Subjective clues that guide diagnosis
- 04:33 - What to call shoulder pain? RCRSP or SAP?
- 06:04 - 4 key questions to ask
- 06:29 - Cervical spine driven shoulder pain
- 10:03 - Is it torn and does it matter?
- 11:29 - Traumatic dislocations
- 12:37 - Special tests in the "Is it torn" group
- 15:56 - Is it stiff?
- 17:36 - Is it irritable?
- 20:38 - Can I change it?
- 23:05 - Summary
The handout for this podcast consists of a transcript associated with this podcast.
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Chapters:
- 00:00:00 - Intro
- 00:03:12 - Subjective clues that guide diagnosis
- 00:04:33 - What to call shoulder pain? RCRSP or SAP?
- 00:06:04 - 4 key questions to ask
- 00:06:29 - Cervical spine driven shoulder pain
- 00:10:03 - Is it torn and does it matter?
- 00:11:29 - Traumatic dislocations
- 00:12:37 - Special tests in the "Is it torn" group
- 00:15:56 - Is it stiff?
- 00:17:36 - Is it irritable?
- 00:20:38 - Can I change it?
- 00:23:05 - Summary
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