Enas: I think the last couple of years have brought so many more people to that table. And i feel like actually, if it was causing suffer before,. It's causing suffering on a whole different level now. Verse is this idea of needing to tear them down. The other part of what's happening is i think the more we hurt, the more we want to make other people hurt. Hurt people hurt people, as you know. We need to bring those people in. We don't have to like everybody, but i do believe we have to love everybody.

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