Redefining Failure and Encouraging Listener Engagement

Seth Berkley used to run the world's largest vaccine funding organization. He and Steve talk about the incredible value of vaccines, the economics of immunizing the developing world, and the current attacks on public health.

• SOURCES:
  • Seth Berkley, epidemiologist at Brown University School of Public Health.

• RESOURCES:
  • "Trump Administration Ends Program Critical to Search for an H.I.V. Vaccine," by Apoorva Mandavilli (New York Times, 2025).
  • Fair Doses: An Insider's Story of the Pandemic and the Global Fight for Vaccine Equity, by Seth Berkley (2025).
  • "How a partnership saved millions of children’s lives with vaccines," (Gates Foundation).
  • Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance.

• EXTRAS:
  • "Sendhil Mullainathan Thinks Messing Around Is the Best Use of Your Time," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2021).
  • "Moncef Slaoui: 'It’s Unfortunate That It Takes a Crisis for This to Happen,'" by People I (Mostly) Admire (2020).