Psychedelics and the OBEs

I feel like as you're describing your journey with plant medicine and it resonates really deeply with mine and Tara's as well. You mentioned OBEs out of body experiences and dabbling in those before you really sort of took a very dedicated and holistic, respectful is the word I really am looking for approach to psychedelics. As somebody who smokes weed every day, I definitely maintain a certain aura, you know, and I don't know if that's for better or worse. So maybe that's contributing to my hesitation to do Iowa but I want to ask you about the OBEs because it feels like a little counterintuitive that you would get into that first and not psychedelics.

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