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The Rise and Fall of Athens
The Art of Manliness
Athens and the Peloponnesian War
Lae: I think one thing obete is that things and people have not changed in two and a half thousand years. And we shouldn't underestimate the fact athens, one of the reasons that it ended up by being defeated in the peloponnesian war was that it began to believe its own propaganda. Lae: We can't rely just because we tell ourselves that everything's great,. We are, we're wonderful. We can't really believe everybody else to believe that too. This idea of huberis that, as i say, you believe your own propaganda, and it general ends in tears. He says he thinks alcibides would use anybody to serve his
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