This is amazing to me that people can make generalizations like this about the most- one has to be the most complex, baffling aspect of human behavior has to be sexuality. And where are these people who, unless they have this body of research somewhere, and how does one go about researching this is what I'd like to know? What type of information is relevant to the thesis? To me, I have to honestly say I've read some things that sounds plausible, but they say it with such certainty and with such authority, where on earth did they find this stuff out? They keep burning bush in their bathroom. Yes, the gentleman here, please speak about it. Yes. I'm assuming what's the minor one first on the menu on that question. Went out a year and a half ago at Jeff's School. He might call him the reigning executive psychology. He's tackled with math directly. What is the moral status when we're sexuality? Or what if there is none? Is it not moral? Why is it the position at least currently held by the intellectual is that it's not a matter of choice? Right, that's quite correct. But now did she say that was Rand's point of view? She just came out of her point of view. Beyond our impact, there is no objective vision. If it didn't Rand once say that homosexuality was immoral, back in my mind I recall that. You're in question. Nathan has. Well, I thank you. You know how the more important issues are, you should mind the pleasure of Rand. I do not have a recollection of reading that term, of writing it, except in the context of saying that there is no such thing. Not that my pleasure is bad, but that mindless pleasure is a contradiction in terms. There is no difference. There is no mind-body split. And the fantastic example of that is the exact same between Daggie and all of that, with shrugs and shruggs and grits. She was a cat of all who denied that you could have a mindless pleasure which had absolutely nothing to do with anything above the path. Well, but she wasn't paralyzed. Obviously there are mindless pleasures in the sense of physical sensations. Now there is a passage, because I just haven't finished that book a while back, in the virtue of selfishness there's a passage where she talks about, I don't know if I can find it, that's why I'm standing here, but give it to me, I'll see if I can find it. See if I can... Okay, if you all bear with me a little... We're going to get to your question. Jeopardy music. Dun, dun, dun, dun. All together, dun, dun. Yeah, okay. I'm just wondering if you have to do a piece of this with a friend, because that's a mind and a status, that even if you go, quote, unconscious, it'll mind the way you do. Okay. You're mind that the disappear off the face of the planet, and you have your pleasure. You're using mind there to cover both when you're conscious and unconscious? No, man, I'm finding you running. You're on the way. Okay, here's... Now, okay, I'll grant you that this phrase does not contain the term mindless pleasure. I'd still recall seeing that somewhere, but here's one of the types of passages I'm talking about. He's talking about if a man values destruction like a sadist or a self-tourged like a masochist or life beyond the grave like a mystic or mindless kicks. He says mindless kicks, okay? I assume he has a mean pleasure. Like the driver of a hot rod car, his alleged happiness, he says alleged happiness, is the measure of his success in the service of his own destruction. It must be added that the emotional state of all these irrationalists cannot properly be designated as happiness or even as pleasure. It is merely a moment's relief from their chronic state of terror. Now, I just can't buy this.