Sally Kohn: I completely agree with what you're saying. One of the threads that I found really interesting is these department store magnets kind of ensuring that they are creating these like public goods, right? She says it's not just buy things, but also we're doing these other positive things for the community. Kohn: It worked really well for the robber barons. But you can see this sort of ideological tendency in a lot of people in liberalism to sort of let these people handle it because they are successful.

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