i think in the book, he's the one who describes himself as having a punchable face. And even when that woman takes tho selpy, he automatically realizes, oh, this is not good luck. People are going to judge this. There's a lot of unspoken rules there on terms of how we interact with the world and and again. So i think what you were calling pana for was bringing up schemes which keep things in our heads," she said. "They really strip that away, and it's bare"

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