I'm curious to see where Carl Dicerath goes with his writing. I think that book took him 10 years to write, which is vindication for me and for you,. Because we're both supposed to write books and we haven't done it. It's like the first book, like the first album for a musician. But he uses poems and quotes in there really well. It's a beautiful book. And I try and read a poem once every few days.

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