Andrew recalls his father's passion

Matt and Kara delve deeper into the story of town planner Alex Ramsay, and the bizarre deal he struck to purchase the land that would become Elizabeth, SA. 

This episode is connected to episode two of the Black Swans series, all concerning predictions of Australia's future, and how we got it so wrong.

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