If two things cannot be presented separately, then you have no right to say that they are two separate entities. All knowledge and experience is possible only in consciousness. If it's not available to our sense organs, then it's available to our scientific instruments. You can have a huge instrument like thisern in switzerland to detect the tiniest possible particles of light. They're all objects, and they are presented to you, to me, in our knowledge, in our experience. But no object in the world itis it's possible for you to speak about or experience without knowledge.