In this surprise-topic conversation, Rebbe Dr. Marc Gafni takes us deep into the esoteric and magical threads of Kabbalah- first confirming that magic is real- exploring how invisible forces connect all things and how we can participate in them through intention, devotion, and love.

Moving beyond *only the realm of* spells and mysticism, Marc reveals how magic manifests in everyday moments: a dinner party where everyone comes alive, a comedian generating waves of collective laughter, or the courage to walk across life's narrow bridges without fear. He distinguishes between sacred magic—which creates wholeness * and blessing* catalyzing everyone's highest Unique Self—and black magic, which fragments and diminishes and curses*

The conversation ventures into profound territory: Why did faith in protective magic fail some Jewish communities during WWII? How does magic operate alongside other cosmic forces? What role does prophecy and the divine whisper (Lehishah) play in our lives? Marc shares validated stories of inexplicable protection during wartime while maintaining brutal intellectual honesty about magic's place in a multi-dimensional reality.

At its core, this dialogue explores how we access magic through "outrageous love". which is the courage that comes from keeping our hearts ripped open, staying in conversation even when it's difficult, and blessing rather than cursing. Marc shows* that tears are *elixirs of magic* —* magical rivulets*of ecstasy, empathy, and connection—are the most direct access point to the magical dimension of existence.