I would hesitate to accept that because it seems to me that the degradation of our culture has come about through increase in leisure. Look at television, it's a leisure industry,. It's a leisure product for everybody. The folk music of the 19th century was produced by people who really were working very hard and didn't have any leisure. But they did put their heart and their soul into their singing. And he goes, there's certain connections there. Marx loved art and literature and culture exactly because just by virtue of the kinds of useless things they were, gloriously pointless things they were. My point is you have to raise the political question for that vision to become violent. You may not

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