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And we talk about letting out soft stories, which are the, you know, vulnerable tender stories that I believe,
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music tells and connect us and binds us and makes us feel us alone.
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told you something,
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tender that's made you feel us alone or helped you that that you can think of you to share their secret necessarily, but you know, a moment that sparked something for you. I don't know. I when I was younger, I expected a lot more from people that were older than me. And then it took a while to realize that people that we twice my age would be twice as insecure and and and struggling with so many demons. And I was like, you're not supposed to you're you're an adult. Yeah. And in retrospect, you know, I everyone's struggling, the bullies, everyone. That's something you realize as you get older. Yeah. I had a moment in a restaurant recently where I realized that everyone there was my age or younger. And I was like, like I had this whole, there's no adults here. Like it's a it's an interesting moment to to have and be like, we're all figuring it out and nobody really knows what we're doing. Right.
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No matter what age you are. Okay. So last
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you go, can you recommend
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books, music, podcast, food, TV shows, anything you want to recommend to people that you're liking, make me all time favorites or current
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that you're enjoying? See books. I'm just starting to read the adventures of Al-Gimarch again by Saul Bello, which is one of my favorite books. And I just started reading Dickens, which I never really read when I was younger. And I'm enjoying that. I like both those books, not Dickens, but Dickens. I just read great expectations. And I love reading that kind of book because there's ways of a man is of speaking that are really colorful, that are lost, are not in our vernacular anymore. Just a Shakespeare in the park and had that same thought of. Yeah. And the cadence of it and the musicality of it, the kind of street language from a different time or different place. Yeah. That's what I really enjoy in books. I don't, I discovered, I really don't like historical fiction because it's either history, it's dry, this is what happened, and there's fiction. And the mingling of the two is, I find really disturbing. So I just stopped reading this David Mitchell book about Imperial, the Dutch in Japan in, in 1790s. It was good. It was super well written, but just knowing that it was a made-up story about an actual historical time, it's like either you got made up, you know, I had once had a friend that he was an engineer, so it makes sense, but he was like, fiction, I don't, I don't get it. They're just made up stories. He'd rather read a book about how to do something, and then you close the book and now you know how to do it. Some people are like that. I do. Do you read fiction? I do, but where it's like that specific genre of historical fiction, like, oh, this is a made-up story about something that happened during the Revolutionary War that bothers me for some reason. All right, what about TV and movies? TV were, I just watched the last movie of Deadwood, which was interesting, because I remember 2008, whenever that was on watching Deadwood, then it stopped abruptly. It was good. I wish there was more, I wish it was more episodic, like, you know, killing Eve is great. I've just watched some of Fargo, which is, I appreciate this historical context that he does in that, so that's okay.
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it's okay, but no. Tell the made-up story that brings in history, but yeah. What about music? Any other music that you want to recommend or like? Mostly just into my jazz rec- every time I go into a record store, I go to the Y section of the jazz LPs and I get another Lester Young record and there seems to be an endless supply of, I think, as catalog is pretty finite, but there's always different repackaging of it, and that's my collector's bug thing. I just have to have every Lester Young record that was ever put out. The current artists, I don't know, there's some good ones that I'm not thinking of it right now. Great, speaking of things that we were going to maybe come back to, did you happen to think of something that you're curious about right now, or what's been on your mind lately? I've been thinking about how to talk about things tonight, and that line between, does it take a populist approach to fight a populist movement? You know what I mean? Do you have to simplify your message? Because I'm not a very simple person, but what do I say when I get on stage? I'm going to just, if I were to be completely honest, like we're talking about, I'd explain a very complex picture. Is that helping us rally? You know, is this a rally tonight? What is this? I don't even know. So that, I just kind of take the out, is that I'm a songwriter. You know? Yeah. And then I'll talk between songs about what it's about, and then the rest is for you. Yeah, that's what I like about this medium podcasting, is it allows you to tell long stories, and not have to, you can let things me under, and I think that's a welcomed phenomenon. Yeah. Do you listen to podcasts? I, too, when I'm going to be on one, I listen to it to see what it's all about. Yeah. But it's not in my daily diet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Well, thank you so much for doing this one. It was a delight to talk to you, and like I said, your work is meaningful to me, and
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this was really cool. Yeah. Great talking
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to you. So we end with something I think you'll like and be down for a deep breath. We let out a deep breath together. You're ready? Okay, ready? Inhale. Inhale. Si, let it out.
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Thank you so much.