2008
Evolution of a Snake: The Taylor Swift Podcast
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Taylor Swift - I Am About to Dominate Your Ears for 10 Years
"She did see it in her eyes. She didn't know," she said of the singer's appearance on Ellen. "I would say this is when she realizes that she can market her personal experiences to drive album sales and give herself more publicity" But current Taylor would never do anything like that ever again, he added.
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