The State of Nature of Man Is Not Presupposed

Hobbs was instrumental in his conception of the state of nature as a war of all against all, just like you said, nasty, brutish and short. The only possible way to safeguard your rights is to delegate them to the state. So that's kind of, you see, now we've gone from human to rights to governance. But still, whether it's hobbs or or locke, or any of the other sort of voices in the game, it's always assuming a secular state of affairs.