The number of people directly impacted at embers may be relatively modest, but the scale of the impact on those people has been significant. These choices haven't come without risks and financial costs for emburse but as eric explains, the benefits are moral, communal and even quantifiable. We'll hear how tella medicine gave zoadi some big ideas of her own later in the show.

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