Richard a drinker, thanks for coming on the show. Your new book is nobody's normal how culture created the stigma of mental illness. In your opening epigram from ruth benedict, the concept of the normal is properly a variant of the concept of the good. It is that which society has approved. So let's start there. A fuco picks up first sentences of his book, we have yet to write the history of that other form of madness. Men are so necessarily mad that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. We must try to return in history to that zero point in the course of madness.

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