On episode eleven, thirty three, podcasting pioneer and internet legend, dave winer told jason old, steve jobs and bill gate stories from the golden age of te let see. i got there in the fall of nineteen seventy nine and ye my first call was apple. The apple two had just just come out with the floppy drive. You know how much data could fit on the floppy drive? Sixty k hundred. Forty k, forty. And that was pur side, right? So if you clipped it and flipped it over, no, no, i think that was both.